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Ch. Orgill's Rush (dog, lemon/white, w: April 1876, breeder/owner Mr. Edmund Orgill of New York, AKC 1259, EKC 7093)
Beulah (bitch, lemon/white, w: April 1876, breeder W.A. Wheatley, owner Judge W.W. Legare, "Wise's Beulah", AKC 1286)
Rap (dog, lemon/white, w: April 1876, breeder/owner Mr. Edmund Orgill, AKC 1252)
Rose (bitch, lemon/white, w: April 1876, breeder/owner Mr. Edmund Orgill, AKC 1338)
Ruby (bitch, lemon/white, w: April 1876, breeder/owner Mr. Edmund Orgill, AKC 1340)

Clymont (bitch, lemon/white, w: April 1878, breeder/owner Baltimore Kennel Club, AKC 3009)
Cleopatra (bitch, lemon/white, w: April 1878, breeder Mr. J.A. Smith, owner Baltimore Kennel Club, AKC 3006)

Orgills Rush
"Orgill's Rush"



AKC:
""1259 Rush" -- E. Orgill, New York. Breeder, owner, Whelped April, 1876, lemon and white; by "Flake 1214", out of "Lily"; "Flake" by "Flash", out of "Juno"; "Lily" by "Sam", out of "Lily". Prizes -- 2d, Puppy Class, Baltimore, 1876; 1st, and Special for best brace with "Rose", New York, 1877; 1st, and three Specials, Lexington, 1877; 1st, St. Louis, 1877; V.H.C., Champion Class, and Special for second best brace with "Rose", St. Louis, 1878." -- AKC Studbook, 1878, Vol.I

EKC:
""7093 Rush" -- Mr. E. Orgill's, 1096, Dean-street, Brooklyn, New York, America; whelped 1876; colour, lemon and white. Pedigree: By "Steele's Flake" out of "Lillie". Chief Performance: New York, 1st prize." -- EKC Studbook, 1877, Vol.V

AKC:
""1286 Beulah" -- Judge W.W. Legare, Clarksville, Tenn. Breeder, W.A. Wheatley. Whelped April, 1876; lemon and white; by "Flake 1214", out of "Lily"; "Flake" by "Flash", out of "Juno"; "Lily" by "Sam", out of "Lily"." -- AKC Studbook, 1878, Vol.I

AKC:
""1338 Rose" -- E. Orgill, New York. Breeder, owner. Whelped April, 1876; lemon and white; by "Flake 1214", out of "Lily"; "Flake" by "Flash", out of "Juno"; "Lily" by "Sam", out of "Lily". Prizes -- 1st, Puppy Class, Baltimore, 1876; Special for best brace with "Rush", New York, 1877; V.H.C., and Special for second best brace with "Rush", St. Louis, 1878; Champion, Boston, 1878; Champion and Special for best Pointer, also Special for best brace with "Flake", Baltimore, 1878." -- AKC Studbook, 1878, Vol.I

AKC:
""3009 Clymont" -- Baltimore Kennel Club, Baltimore, Md. Breeder, owner. Whelped April, 1878; lemon and white; by "Flake (1214)", out of "Lily (3067)"." -- AKC Studbook, 1885, Vol.II


"The so-called 'native' Pointers of the early days also played their part in the development of the Pointer of this country. One of the most famous was "Champion Rush", bred and owned by Mr. Edmund Orgill, a very careful and thoughtful breeder who preferred the white and lemons. "Rush" was a successful bench show winner. -- The Sportsman's Bookshelf, Volume XIII, Hunting Dogs and Their Uses: The Stackpole Company, Harrisburg, PA, 1951


"One of the most prominent breeders of the so-called natives was the late Edmund Orgill. His dogs were the reslut of careful selection and in time he was able to produce a type of medium sized lemon-and-whites that for symmetry and grace were unexcelled. At the time of the early bench shows along about 1874 and '75 he was already showing with great success. His most famous dog was "Orgill's Champion Rush", one of the best-known pointers of his day. "Rush" was by a dog called "Flake", which was descended from a pointer imported about 1867. The dam of "Rush" was the lemon and white "Lily". This "Flake-Lily" mating also brought forth "Beulah" and "Clymont". "Rush" won regularly on the bench and in 1881 he was placed over A.H. Moore's imported dog "Donald", at New York." -- A.F. Hochwalt, 1923, The Modern Pointer"


"Lily":

"The lemon and white bitch, "Lily", has had perhaps a greater influence upon the pointers of the early days than any other producing dam, and even at this period (1911) her name is frequently met with since it appears in the pedigrees of a great many well known dogs of twenty years ago. She was unquestionably the great producer of her time, for when mated with "Flake" she became the dam of "Beulah", "Clymont", and "Orgill's Champion Rush", who was quite a consistent winner at the eastern shows and who for several years captured high honors at New York. "Rush" was a very handsome, compactly built dog, lemon and white in color and was owned by Mr. Edmund Orgill who bred a line of pointers during the seventies and eighties, of such distinctive individuality that their impress is still noticable in many of the present day strains of pointers." -- Hochwalt, 1911, The Pointer and Setter in America

""Lily" was whelped in 1873 and was owned in early life by W.A. Wheatly, of Memphis, Tenn., and later on came into the possession of A.H. Moore, of Philadelphia, who presented her to the Hon. John S. Wise, of New York. She was by "W. Lancaster's Sam" out of "A. Gibson's Lily", who was by "Morgan" out of "Fanny". "Sam's" pedigree is given as by "Z. White's dog" out of "Col. G.M. Morgan's bitch". There was considerable discussion years ago as to the purity of the "Flake-Lily" breeding, some saying that there was a cross of the Dalmation or coach dog close up in the pedigrees. Naturally we have no means of going farther back of "Z. White's Dog" and "Col. Morgan's Bitch" in "Lily's" pedigree, although it was claimed by some, that these are from imported dogs, yet the breeding as we have it now does not give us any indication of it." -- Hochwalt, 1911, The Pointer and Setter in America

Burgess:
""304 Lilly" Lemon and whte. Born 1873. Mr. W.A. Wheatley, Memphis, Tenn. Pedigree: "W.H. Lancaster's Sam" out of "A. Gibson's Lilly"; "Sam" by "Wm. Z. White's dog" out of "Col. G.W. Morgan's bitch"; "Gibson's Lilly" by "Morgan" out of "Fanny"." Prize Winnings: 1st Mineola, 1874. -- Burgess, 1876

AKC:
""3067 Lily" -- Baltimore Kennel Club, Baltimore, Md. Whelped 1873; lemon and white; by "Sam", out of "Lily"; "Sam" by "Morgan", out of "Fanny". Bench Shows: 3rd Chicago, 1876; 2nd Baltimore, 1877; 3rd St. Louis, 1878." -- AKC Studbook, 1885, Vol.II

1877 Westminster Catalogue:
""#46 Lillie" -- owner, J.Addison Smith, 61 S. Gay St. Baltimore. White and liver, 3 years. Litter of puppies by "Sensation" for sale, $75 each. "Lillie" by "Lancaster's Sam", out of "Lillie". "Lillie" winner of 1st prize at Detroit, 2d at Baltimore, 3d at Chicago. Class 5 -- Champion Pointer Bitches (any weight).""

Discrepancies:
  • AKC entry for "Lily 3067:, gives her pedigree as "Sam" x "Lily", "Sam" as "Morgan" out of "Fanny", "Lily" not mentioned ...

  • Burgess, 1876, and Hochwalt, 1911, give "Lily's" pedigree as "Lancaster Sam" x "Gibson's Lily", "Sam" as "Wm. Z. White's dog" (Burgess) and "Z. White's dog" (Hochwalt), out of "Col. G.M. Morgan's bitch" and "Gibson's Lily" as "Morgan" out of "Fanny".


""Beulah" proved to be a producer to several of the imported dogs whose infulence was begginning to be felt about this time. Bred to "Bow" she brought forth "Beaufort", one of the best types of bench show dogs of his day. To "Vandevort's Don", a son of "Price's Bang", she brought forth the field trial winner, "Richmond", and the producing bitch "Amine", which in turn became the dam of "Ossian", when bred to "Croxteth", while to "Wise's Tom", "Beulah" became the mother of the Pacific Coast trial winner, "Tom Pinch". -- Hochwalt, 1923, The Modern Pointer


""Clymont", bred to "Sensation", produced "Zanetta", which in turn was bred to "Bang Bang" and became the dam of "Daisy", the dam of "Hal Pointer", by "King of Kent". All this happened in the early eighties. -- Hochwalt, 1923, The Modern Pointer


"Clymont" when bred to "Sensation" produced "Zanetta", a bitch which is behind many of today's pointers.






Ch. Orgill's Rush - Rap - Beulah - Clymont

Steele's Flake
(lemon/white)
(w: 1874)
Strachan's Flash
(black)
(w: 1872)
George
("Sir Frederick Bruce's")
(liver/white)
(w: 1865)

(imported 1867, "pedigree not reported" ... owner in Burges: Dr. Strachan)

George

   
 
   
 
Peg
(black, with white on chest)
(w: 1867)

(Burges lists her as black/white however graphic in Burges and in Hochwalt, 1911, shows her to be solid black with white on chest)

(imported by Captain Grafton ... owner in Burges: Dr. Strachan ... owner in AKC "Strachan's Flake" pedigree: General Webb)

Peg

   
 
   
 
Schieffelin's Juno

(imported from Marquis of Westminster's Kennel)
Marquis of Westminster's Ponto
("Duke of Westminster's Ponto")
(lemon/white)
(w: 1872)
Ponto II
(liver/white)
(w: 1869)
Lord Lichfield's Brag II
(w: 1861)
Brailsford's Juno
Brailsford's Juno Lord Lichfield's Noble I
(liver/white)
(w: 1865)
Antrobus's Nell
(w: 1868)
     
 
   
 
Lily
("Lilly", "Lillie")
(lemon/white)
(w: 1873)

(NOTE - Discrepancy in pedigree ... for more information see above)

Lancaster's Sam Wm. Z. White's dog

(discrepancy, see notes above)

   
 
   
 
Col. Morgan's bitch

(discrepancy, see notes above)

   
 
   
 
Gibson's Lily Morgan    
 
   
 
Fanny    
 
   
 


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